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Terry Gilliam Talks Doctor Parnassus
The legendary director discusses fate, losing his friend Heath Ledger, and why he thinks filmmaking is so 'unreasonable'
by Gaynor Flynn | October 25, 2009
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He's known as Captain Chaos and his productions are notoriously problematic. Brazil (1985) almost never saw the light of day when battles raged over final cut. On The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988), Gilliam was almost fired when the budget spiraled out of control. He thought his career was over when The Man Who Killed Don Quixote (2000) collapsed six days into shooting after flash floods and the lead actor's herniated disc brought everything to a standstill. But nothing compares to his latest film, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, on which his friend and lead actor Heath Ledger was found dead half way through production in January 2008. Here Gilliam talks about fate, losing his friend and why filmmaking is so unreasonable.


RT: Where were you when you heard the news about Heath Ledger?

Terry Gilliam: I was in Vancouver because we'd just finished in London. I went to Vancouver, Heath went to New York and two days later he was dead. I'm sitting, working in Vancouver and Amy, my daughter, who's producing, said: "You got to come into this room" And I said: "What's up?" And there it was it on her laptop, on the BBC website: "Heath Ledger found dead." It's impossible to believe it; there's no way he could be dead. It seemed it took all day before it began to really sink in that he was dead. Then I just didn't know what to do.

How much had you shot?

We'd shot about 40% of Heath's stuff that was supposed to be done, so I said we can't finish the film, it's over. I was ready to quit but Amy and the others wouldn't let me quit. It took several days before I thought, 'Well, is there a way? Can we?' I went back to London. It took us a week and a half before I began to think, 'Maybe there is a way of fixing it.' But I was never sure; even when we started shooting again there were certain scenes I'd thought we were going to do one way and we couldn't do it, so it was constantly adjusting to reality.



How chaotic was this shoot given what happened to Heath Ledger?

Once Heath had died and once we had found a way of moving forward -- which was to cast three actors in the role Heath was playing -- it was very difficult scheduling trying to get Johnny [Depp], Colin [Farrell] and Jude [Law], because they were all involved in other projects. There was a lot of luck involved because Public Enemies, the film Johnny was doing, was actually delayed one week, which allowed us to get him on board. But we had to keep constantly adjusting our schedule. Once we'd finished shooting, things were fine and then it was just a matter of assembling it to see if it worked. The first time we did the first cut of the movie we saw it worked. The thing that convinced me was that the sound man, who was doing the post-production sound, he didn't know what had happened, he didn't know the script and he just assumed it was written to be like that. So I thought, 'Okay, it works.'

This movie shows just how talented Ledger was. Did it upset you when the media tried to make out that his death was from a drug overdose?

All the stories were bulls***. This is when the real imagination or lack of imagination of the press comes in, because they were trying to turn him into something he wasn't. That playing the Joker had made him crazy -- absolute nonsense. Heath was so solid, his feet were on the ground and he was the least neurotic person I've ever met. That's why it became so impossible to understand. But for the outside world they had to try to sort of invent a reason. So it must have been all these other things: drugs. It wasn't drugs. It was prescription drugs -- but even that doesn't make sense completely. Nothing makes sense except that Heath was not what they thought he was. He's this incredibly intelligent, generous, sweet, wise, solid as a rock and playful, unbelievably playful. So when he acted it was the playing but he did it fearlessly. There was none of this twisted neurosis that a lot of actors suffer from.



Did you have to change the script much after he died?

No. Everything Johnny says was written before Heath died. It's spooky. I didn't change any dialogue in the script. All that stuff which goes "He will live forever, you will never grow old" was all written. That was the movie and I didn't change anything because that's the movie that Heath and I set out to make. There is a line that Christopher Plummer says earlier on, when he is talking about the story he says that "It's a romance, a comedy, a tale of unforeseen death." And Christopher didn't want to say that line because it was after Heath died. I said, "We have to say the line that was written, that was the movie we're making." I didn't change a single word.

You've been dubbed 'Captain Chaos' -- how much chaos do you actually need on set to be creative?

[laughs] I don't want chaos. I actually want order. I really want it ordered very well and I want to surround myself with really well organized people so that when we're on the set and an idea comes in we can play with it because we got a really good structure around this. So it's not chaos, it's always between me and the actors, or Nicola [Pecorini], the director of photography. Oh, what if we did that? Okay, we can do that. So the organized people think it's chaos, but it's not, it's just I'd build a structure that's really solid so that even when the lead actor dies, we can finish the film. [laughs]



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IBelieveInHarveyDent
IBelieveInHarveyDent writes:
on Oct 25 2009 11:55 PM

Truly one of the few geniuses left in filmmaking.

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blattman
blattman writes:
on Oct 26 2009 12:56 AM

A Terry Gilliam film is always a fun and thought provoking experience in cinema. I am never less then amazed.

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Bulletproof_Animal
Bulletproof_Animal writes:
on Oct 26 2009 06:04 AM

Fifty quid says he casts Plummer as Quixote.

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Gordon Franklin Terry Sr
Gordon Franklin Terry Sr writes:
on Oct 26 2009 07:08 AM

no, man; Heath Ledger's a consummate professional. turning himself into the pure evil of THE JOKER drove HEATH crazy at a depth deep, and dark enough for Heath to be able to professionally "mask" on the outside.

THE JOKER is a depressing character sympotoms of depressoion include restlessness and irritability. The medications perscribed to Heath treat the restleness associable to depression.

A question to ask: After portraying THE JOKER, were Heath Leger's anti-depression and sleep medications increased?


(Giliiam is in denial about his friend).


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john b.
john b. writes:
on Oct 26 2009 08:19 AM

OK that actually makes a lot of sense to me dude, I like it!

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YoSafBridge
YoSafBridge writes:
on Oct 26 2009 09:33 AM

In reply to this comment (#2555991)
Oh, come on! Are you kidding me? You really think that you, a fan, know Heath Ledgers psyche? You can diagnose all his problems sitting by the computer at home, never actually meeting the man eh? Huh, funny you can see the darkness buried within a man by googleing his name when his family and friends didn't notice a thing. Your powers really are astonishing.

The Media spun this BS that playing the Joker made a screw go loose, which if you know anything about acting is truly laughable. I've been acting my entire life and known some pretty full on method actors, they play rapists, mass murdererers and a plethora of other sick, twisted individuals and when the movie/play is wrapped they're the nicest, most stable people you'd ever meet.

And drugs? Not only does that have horrible connotations when the majority of newspapers and magazines left out the words "Prescription" in their headlines, the coroners report reporting only a couple of different drugs in his system...so unless he's a mastermind who decided to mix together the exact 3 drugs (y'know, instead of swallowing the contents of the filled bottle next to him) that would lead to death it seems to point to accident to me.

But what do I know, I'm just a fan and I cannot claim to have some sort of magical insight on Heath Ledger as a person. Perhaps he did take his life and was a f***'d up individual...but considering the people who DID know him agree with my way of thinking, I doubt it.


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tomwaitsjr
tomwaitsjr writes:
on Oct 26 2009 09:58 AM

That was a fantastic interview. Good job!

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fly d.
fly d. writes:
on Oct 26 2009 10:28 AM

Terry Gilliam would have been perfect to direct Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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tomwaitsjr
tomwaitsjr writes:
on Oct 26 2009 11:08 AM

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You're right, fly d.

Gilliam likes to do apocalyptic type films, too. Like 12 Monkeys and Brazil. . .


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Jenna B.
Jenna B. writes:
on Oct 27 2009 10:09 PM


YoSafBridge, I LOVE YOU!

Terry Gilliam is a very sweet man. And a genius to boot. What he said, "I don't think films should be reasonable," and stuff, brilliant. He's so right! Just everything he said...So true.

Especially all the things he said about Heath. That he was "incredibly intelligent, generous, sweet, wise, solid as a rock and playful." "Nothing makes sense except that Heath was not who they thought he was." Very true. And people STILL think they know him! It makes me so sad.

But, I cannot wait for Parnassus! It looks amazing!


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Isidro M.
Isidro M. writes:
on Oct 28 2009 07:06 AM

In reply to this comment (#2555991)
Man, how can you say something so simplistic as "The Joker role was the reason for Heath's death" First of all, as Terry said, the drugs were prescripted. We really don't know the exact reason but try to imagine separate yourself from the love of your life and your daughter and see if you can get peaceful sleep. It was simply a very sad tragedy. But Heath was a wonderful person with a great spirit which still leave among us. And Terry is just a great filmmaker who misses a friend. What's wrong with that? By the way, loved 12 Monkeys.

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Superzone
Superzone writes:
on Oct 31 2009 12:03 AM

Great interview. I'm sad to say I have never seen a Gilliam film, but Parnassus will be my first!

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Weed17 writes:
on Nov 05 2009 09:32 PM

In reply to this comment (#2557505)
you have seriously never seen a Gilliam film? You are missing out my furry friend. I am sure you must have atleast heard about The Monty Python series? How about 12 monkeys with bruce willis and brad pitt as the crazy guy? everybody knows that movie ... and ofcourse, in my opinion, on of the most greatest and fantastic films ever made -- Brazil! seriously, go to a video store the moment you read this and get yourself some Gilliam movies please.

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harrismonkey
harrismonkey writes:
on Nov 21 2009 10:11 AM

In reply to this comment (#2557505)
I really hope Parnassus measures up and goes down as one of his great ones, but given that the last couple haven't been his strongest- no matter whether you like Parnassus or not, you must see Brazil and 12 Monkeys. The Fisher King and Time Bandits are high on my list as well.

The man is an incredible film maker.


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on Nov 24 2009 03:39 AM

A true genius. Can't wait for this film!

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on Nov 24 2009 08:01 AM

Awesome interview. I've been dying to watch this film ever since I heard it was in production.

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